[270] "But, friend Musila, apart from faith (saddhā), apart from personal preference (ruci), apart from oral tradition (anussava), apart from reasoned reflection (ākāraparivitakka), apart from acceptance of a view after consideration (diṭṭhinijjhānakkhanti), does the Venerable Musila have personal knowledge (ñāṇa): 'With the cessation of birth comes the cessation of aging and death'?"
"Friend Paviṭṭha, apart from faith, apart from personal preference, apart from oral tradition, apart from reasoned reflection, apart from acceptance of a view after consideration, I know this, I see this: 'With the cessation of birth comes the cessation of aging and death.'"
"Friend Musila, apart from faith, apart from personal preference, apart from oral tradition, apart from reasoned reflection, apart from acceptance of a view after consideration, does the Venerable Musila have personal knowledge: 'With the cessation of existence (bhava) comes the cessation of birth'? … 'With the cessation of clinging (upādāna) comes the cessation of existence'? … 'With the cessation of craving (taṇhā) comes the cessation of clinging'? … 'With the cessation of feeling (vedanā) comes the cessation of craving'? … 'With the cessation of contact (phassa) comes the cessation of feeling'? … 'With the cessation of the six sense bases (saḷāyatana) comes the cessation of contact'? … 'With the cessation of name-and-form (nāmarūpa) comes the cessation of the six sense bases'? … 'With the cessation of consciousness comes the cessation of name-and-form'? … 'With the cessation of volitional formations comes the cessation of consciousness'? … 'With the cessation of ignorance comes the cessation of volitional formations'?"
"Friend Paviṭṭha, apart from faith, apart from personal preference, apart from oral tradition, apart from reasoned reflection, apart from acceptance of a view after consideration, I know this, I see this: 'With the cessation of ignorance comes the cessation of volitional formations.'"
English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.