[1568] Sakavādī: Is noble form (ariyarūpa) derived from the great elements (mahābhūta)?
Paravādī: Yes.
S.: Is noble form wholesome?
P.: Yes.
S.: Are the great elements wholesome?
P.: It should not be said so. …
S.: Are the great elements indeterminate (abyākata)?
P.: Yes.
S.: Is noble form indeterminate?
P.: It should not be said so. …
S.: Is noble form derived from the great elements?
P.: Yes.
S.: Is noble form not subject to taints (anāsava), not conducive to fetters (asaññojaniya), not conducive to ties (aganthaniya), not conducive to floods (anoghaniya), not conducive to bonds (ayoganiya), not conducive to hindrances (anīvaraṇiya), not adhered to (aparāmaṭṭha), not conducive to clinging (anupādāniya), not conducive to defilement (asaṅkilesika)?
P.: Yes.
S.: Are the great elements not subject to taints … not conducive to defilement?
P.: It should not be said so. …
S.: Are the great elements subject to taints (sāsava), conducive to fetters (saññojaniya), … conducive to defilement (saṅkilesika)?
P.: Yes.
S.: Is noble form subject to taints, conducive to fetters, … conducive to defilement?
P.: It should not be said so. …
English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.