MahāvaggavaggaKalyāṇavagga

Abhidhammapiṭaka · Kathāvatthu · Vol. 37 · Section 164

[164] P. Does kamma exist? S. Yes. P. Does a doer of kamma (kammakārako) exist? S. It should not be said so. … S. Does kamma exist? Does a doer of kamma exist? P. Yes. S. Does a maker of that one exist? P. It should not be said so. … S. Does a maker of that one exist? P. Yes. S. For each and every one of them there is no making an end of suffering (dukkha), no cutting off of the round (vaṭṭa), no final Nibbāna without clinging (anupādāparinibbāna)? P. It should not be said so. … S. Does kamma exist? Does a doer of kamma exist? P. Yes. S. Does the person (puggala) exist? Does a maker of the person exist? P. It should not be said so. … S. Does kamma exist? Does a doer of kamma exist? P. Yes. S. Does Nibbāna exist? Does a maker of Nibbāna exist? P. It should not be said so. … S. Does kamma exist? Does a doer of kamma exist? P. Yes. S. Does the great earth exist? … Does the great ocean exist? Does Sineru, king of mountains, exist? Does water (āpo) exist? Does fire (tejo) exist? Does air (vāyo) exist? Do grass, wood, and great forest trees (tiṇakaṭṭhavanappatayo) exist? Does a maker of grass, wood, and great forest trees exist? P. It should not be said so. … S. Does kamma exist? Does a doer of kamma exist? P. Yes. S. Is kamma one thing, and the doer of kamma another? P. It should not be said so. … P. Does result (vipāka) exist? S. Yes. P. Does an experiencer of result (vipākapaṭisaṃvedī) exist? S. It should not be said so. … S. Does result exist? Does an experiencer of result exist? P. Yes. S. Does an experiencer of that one exist? P. It should not be said so. … S. Does an experiencer of that one exist? P. Yes. S. For each and every one of them there is no making an end of suffering, no cutting off of the round, no final Nibbāna without clinging? P. It should not be said so. … S. Does result exist? Does an experiencer of result exist? P. Yes. S. Does the person exist? Does an experiencer of the person exist? P. It should not be said so. … S. Does result exist? Does an experiencer of result exist? P. Yes. S. Does Nibbāna exist? Does an experiencer of Nibbāna exist? P. It should not be said so. … S. Does result exist? Does an experiencer of result exist? P. Yes. S. Does the great earth exist? … Does the great ocean exist? Does Sineru, king of mountains, exist? Does water exist? Does fire exist? Does air exist? Do grass, wood, and great forest trees exist? Does an experiencer of grass, wood, and great forest trees exist? P. It should not be said so. … S. Does result exist? Does an experiencer of result exist? P. Yes. S. Is result one thing, and the experiencer of result another? P. It should not be said so. … (Abridged.) The Kalyāṇavagga, the first.

English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.