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P. Is it not to be said, "The person (puggala) is apprehended in the sense of a real and ultimate fact (saccikaṭṭha-paramaṭṭha)"?
S. Yes.
P. Is there not someone who, experiencing a pleasant feeling (vedanā), clearly knows, "I am experiencing a pleasant feeling"?
S. Yes.
P. If there is someone who, experiencing a pleasant feeling, clearly knows, "I am experiencing a pleasant feeling," then indeed, good sir, it should be said, "The person is apprehended in the sense of a real and ultimate fact."
P. Is it not to be said, "The person is apprehended in the sense of a real and ultimate fact"?
S. Yes.
P. Is there not someone who, experiencing a painful feeling, … who, experiencing a neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling, clearly knows, "I am experiencing a neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling"?
S. Yes.
P. If there is someone who, experiencing a neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling, clearly knows, "I am experiencing a neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling," then indeed, good sir, it should be said, "The person is apprehended in the sense of a real and ultimate fact."
S. Taking it as established that there is someone who, experiencing a pleasant feeling, clearly knows, "I am experiencing a pleasant feeling" — and is it for that reason that the person is apprehended in the sense of a real and ultimate fact?
P. Yes.
S. He who, experiencing a pleasant feeling, clearly knows, "I am experiencing a pleasant feeling" — is that very one the person; while he who, experiencing a pleasant feeling, does not clearly know, "I am experiencing a pleasant feeling" — is that one not the person?
P. It should not be said thus. …
S. He who, experiencing a painful feeling, … he who, experiencing a neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling, clearly knows, "I am experiencing a neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling" — is that very one the person; while he who, experiencing a neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling, does not clearly know, "I am experiencing a neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling" — is that one not the person?
P. It should not be said thus. …
S. Taking it as established that there is someone who, experiencing a pleasant feeling, clearly knows, "I am experiencing a pleasant feeling" — and is it for that reason that the person is apprehended in the sense of a real and ultimate fact?
P. Yes.
S. Is the pleasant feeling one thing, and he who, experiencing a pleasant feeling, clearly knows, "I am experiencing a pleasant feeling," another?
P. It should not be said thus. …
S. Is the painful feeling one thing, … is the neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling one thing, and he who, experiencing a neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling, clearly knows, "I am experiencing a neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling," another?
P. It should not be said thus. …
English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.