[298] [Sakavādin:] Is an ordinary person (puthujjana) who is devoid of lust for sensual pleasures established in the fruition of non-returning (anāgāmiphala) simultaneously with the breakthrough to the Dhamma (dhammābhisamaya)?
[Paravādin:] Yes.
[Sakavādin:] Do all those who make the breakthrough to the Dhamma become established in the fruition of non-returning simultaneously with the breakthrough to the Dhamma?
[Paravādin:] It should not be said so. …
English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.