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Abhidhammapiṭaka · Kathāvatthu · Vol. 37 · Section 601

[601] [Sakavādin:] "There is no utterance of speech (vacībheda) for one who has attained (samāpanna) the mundane (lokiya) second jhāna … the third jhāna … the fourth jhāna?" [Paravādin:] "Yes." [Sakavādin:] "If there is no utterance of speech for one who has attained the mundane fourth jhāna, then indeed, good sir, you should not say that there is utterance of speech for one who has attained."

English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.

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