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Abhidhammapiṭaka · Kathāvatthu · Vol. 37 · Section 63

[63] [Sakavādin:] "The person (puggala) is real and actual (sacchikaṭṭha); is what is real and actual the person?" [Paravādin:] "The person is real and actual; what is real and actual is in some cases the person, in some cases not the person." [Sakavādin:] "Is the person in some cases real and actual, in some cases not real and actual?" [Paravādin:] "It should not be said thus." …

English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.