Aññatitthiyasutta

Suttapiṭaka · Saṁyuttanikāya · Nidānavaggasaṁyutta · Vol. 16 · Section 76

[76] "On one occasion, Ānanda, I was dwelling right here at Rājagaha, in the Bamboo Grove, the Squirrels' Feeding Ground. Then, Ānanda, in the morning, having dressed and taking bowl and robe, I entered Rājagaha for alms. Then, Ānanda, it occurred to me: 'It is still too early to walk for alms in Rājagaha. Suppose I were to approach the park of the wanderers of other sects.' Then, Ānanda, I approached the park of the wanderers of other sects; having approached, I exchanged greetings with those wanderers of other sects, and when the courteous and amiable talk was concluded, I sat down to one side. When I had sat down to one side, Ānanda, those wanderers of other sects said this to me: 'Friend Gotama, there are some ascetics and brahmins, proponents of kamma (kammavādā), who declare that suffering (dukkha) is made by oneself; but, friend Gotama, there are some ascetics and brahmins, proponents of kamma, who declare that suffering is made by another; friend Gotama, there are some ascetics and brahmins, proponents of kamma, who declare that suffering is made both by oneself and by another; but, friend Gotama, there are some ascetics and brahmins, proponents of kamma, who declare that suffering has arisen fortuitously (adhicca-samuppanna), made neither by oneself nor by another. Herein, what does the Venerable Gotama say, what does he declare? And answering in what way shall we be speakers of what has been said by the Venerable Gotama, and not misrepresent the Venerable Gotama with what is untrue, and answer in accordance with the Dhamma, so that no legitimate consequence of our assertion would incur ground for censure?' "When this was said, Ānanda, I said to those wanderers of other sects: 'Friends, suffering has been declared by me to be dependently arisen (paṭiccasamuppanna). Dependent on what? Dependent on contact (phassa). One speaking thus would be a speaker of what has been said by me, and would not misrepresent me with what is untrue, and would answer in accordance with the Dhamma, and no legitimate consequence of his assertion would incur ground for censure. Therein, friends, as for those ascetics and brahmins, proponents of kamma, who declare that suffering is made by oneself — that too is conditioned by contact. As for those … As for those … As for those ascetics and brahmins, proponents of kamma, who declare that suffering has arisen fortuitously, made neither by oneself nor by another — that too is conditioned by contact. Therein, friends, as for those ascetics and brahmins, proponents of kamma, who declare that suffering is made by oneself — that they should experience it apart from contact: such a thing is impossible. As for those … As for those … As for those ascetics and brahmins, proponents of kamma, who declare that suffering has arisen fortuitously, made neither by oneself nor by another — that they should experience it apart from contact: such a thing is impossible.'"

English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.

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