[151] [Sakavādī:] "Is the suffering of the states of loss (āpāyikaṃ dukkhaṃ) apprehended (upalabbhati)? Is one who experiences (paṭisaṃvedī) the suffering of the states of loss apprehended?"
[Paravādī:] "Yes (āmantā)."
[Sakavādī:] "Is the great earth apprehended? … Is the great ocean apprehended? Is Sineru, the king of mountains, apprehended? Is water (āpo) apprehended? Is fire (tejo) apprehended? Is air (vāyo) apprehended? … Are grass, wood, and the lords of the forest (tiṇakaṭṭhavanappatayo) apprehended? Is one who experiences grass, wood, and the lords of the forest apprehended?"
[Paravādī:] "It should not be said thus. …"
English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.