[157] [Sakavādin:] Is the suffering of hell (nerayikaṃ dukkhaṃ) apprehended (upalabbhati)? Is one who experiences (paṭisaṃvedī) the suffering of hell apprehended?
[Paravādin:] Yes.
[Sakavādin:] Is the great earth apprehended? … Is the great ocean apprehended? Is Sineru, the king of mountains, apprehended? Is water (āpo) apprehended? Is fire (tejo) apprehended? Is wind (vāyo) apprehended? Are grasses, wood, and great forest trees (tiṇa-kaṭṭha-vanappatī) apprehended? Is one who experiences grasses, wood, and great forest trees apprehended?
[Paravādin:] It should not be said thus. …
English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.