[173] Sakavādin: Having settled that "the four pairs of persons (purisayugā), the eight individual persons (purisapuggalā), exist," is it for that reason that the person (puggala) is apprehended in the sense of a real and ultimate fact (sacchikaṭṭhaparamaṭṭhena)?
Paravādin: Yes.
Sakavādin: Do the four pairs of persons, the eight individual persons, appear owing to the appearance of a Buddha (buddhapātubhāvā)?
Paravādin: Yes.
Sakavādin: Does the person appear owing to the appearance of a Buddha?
Paravādin: It should not be said thus. …
Sakavādin: Does the person appear owing to the appearance of a Buddha?
Paravādin: Yes.
Sakavādin: When the Buddha, the Blessed One, has attained final Nibbāna (parinibbuta), is the person annihilated (ucchinna)? Is there no person?
Paravādin: It should not be said thus. …
English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.