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Abhidhammapiṭaka · Kathāvatthu · Vol. 37 · Section 174

[174] S. Is the person (puggala) apprehended in the sense of a real and ultimate fact (sacchikaṭṭha-paramaṭṭha)? P. Yes. S. Is the person conditioned (saṅkhata)? P. It should not be said thus. … S. Is the person unconditioned (asaṅkhata)? P. It should not be said thus. … S. Is the person neither conditioned nor unconditioned? P. It should not be said thus. … S. Is the person neither conditioned nor unconditioned? P. Yes. S. Setting aside the conditioned and the unconditioned, is there another, a third alternative (koṭi)? P. It should not be said thus. … S. Setting aside the conditioned and the unconditioned, is there another, a third alternative? P. Yes. S. Was it not said by the Blessed One: "Bhikkhus, there are these two elements (dhātu). Which two? The conditioned element and the unconditioned element. These, bhikkhus, are the two elements" — is there indeed such a discourse (suttanta)? P. Yes. S. Then indeed it should not be said that, setting aside the conditioned and the unconditioned, there is another, a third alternative. S. Is the person neither conditioned nor unconditioned? P. Yes. S. Is the conditioned one thing, the unconditioned another, and the person another? P. It should not be said thus. … S. Are the aggregates (khandhā) conditioned, Nibbāna unconditioned, and the person neither conditioned nor unconditioned? P. Yes. S. Are the aggregates one thing, Nibbāna another, and the person another? P. It should not be said thus. … S. Is form (rūpa) conditioned, Nibbāna unconditioned, and the person neither conditioned nor unconditioned? P. Yes. S. Is form one thing, Nibbāna another, and the person another? P. It should not be said thus. … S. Feeling (vedanā) … perception (saññā) … volitional formations (saṅkhārā) … Is consciousness (viññāṇa) conditioned, Nibbāna unconditioned, and the person neither conditioned nor unconditioned? P. Yes. S. Is consciousness one thing, Nibbāna another, and the person another? P. It should not be said thus. …

English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.

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