[1836] Sakavādin: Is the ordinary person (puthujjana) not secluded from phenomena (dhammā) pertaining to the three elements (tedhātuka)?
Paravādin: Yes.
Sakavādin: Is the ordinary person not secluded from contacts (phassa) pertaining to the three elements … from feelings (vedanā) pertaining to the three elements, from perceptions (saññā), from volitions (cetanā), from minds (citta), from faith (saddhā), from energy (vīriya), from mindfulness (sati), from concentration (samādhi), from wisdom (paññā) pertaining to the three elements?
Paravādin: It should not be said thus. …
Sakavādin: Is the ordinary person not secluded from phenomena pertaining to the three elements?
Paravādin: Yes.
Sakavādin: At the moment when the ordinary person gives a robe (cīvara), at that moment does he enter upon and dwell in the first jhāna … does he enter upon and dwell in the sphere of infinity of space (ākāsānañcāyatana)?
Paravādin: It should not be said thus. …
Sakavādin: At the moment when the ordinary person gives almsfood (piṇḍapāta) … gives a lodging (senāsana) … gives medicinal requisites for the sick (gilānapaccaya-bhesajja-parikkhāra), at that moment does he enter upon and dwell in the fourth jhāna, does he enter upon and dwell in the sphere of neither perception nor non-perception (nevasaññānāsaññāyatana)?
Paravādin: It should not be said thus. …
English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.