VaggaNirodhasamāpattikathā

Abhidhammapiṭaka · Kathāvatthu · Vol. 37 · Section 1100

[1100] Sakavādin (S.): Is the attainment of cessation (nirodha-samāpatti) unconditioned (asaṅkhata)? Paravādin (P.): Yes. S.: Is it Nibbāna — the shelter (tāṇa), the retreat (leṇa), the refuge (saraṇa), the final goal (parāyana), the imperishable (accuta), the deathless (amata)? P.: It should not be said thus. … S.: Is the attainment of cessation unconditioned, and Nibbāna unconditioned? P.: Yes. S.: Are there two unconditioned things? P.: It should not be said thus. … S.: Are there two unconditioned things? P.: Yes. S.: Are there two shelters … or an interstice (antarikā) [between them]? P.: It should not be said thus. … S.: Is the attainment of cessation unconditioned? P.: Yes. S.: Are there any who enter upon cessation, obtain it, cause it to arise, cause it to arise fully, set it up, set it up fully, produce it, produce it fully, generate it, generate it fully? P.: Yes. S.: Are there any who enter upon the unconditioned, obtain it, cause it to arise, cause it to arise fully, set it up, set it up fully, produce it, produce it fully, generate it, generate it fully? P.: It should not be said thus. … S.: Is a purification (vodāna), an emergence (vuṭṭhāna), from cessation discerned? P.: Yes. S.: Is a purification, an emergence, from the unconditioned discerned? P.: It should not be said thus. … S.: For one entering upon cessation, does the verbal formation (vacī-saṅkhāra) cease first, then the bodily formation (kāya-saṅkhāra), then the mental formation (citta-saṅkhāra)? P.: Yes. S.: For one entering upon the unconditioned, does the verbal formation cease first, then the bodily formation, then the mental formation? P.: It should not be said thus. … S.: For one emerging from cessation, does the mental formation arise first, then the bodily formation, then the verbal formation? P.: Yes. S.: For one emerging from the unconditioned, does the mental formation arise first, then the bodily formation, then the verbal formation? P.: It should not be said thus. …

English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.

This passage also appears in 5 other places