MahāvaggavaggaMahāvagga

Abhidhammapiṭaka · Kathāvatthu · Vol. 37 · Section 56

[56] Paravādin: Is the person (puggala) not apprehended in the real and ultimate sense (sacchikaṭṭha-paramaṭṭha)? Sakavādin: Yes. Paravādin: Was it said by the Blessed One, "There is a person who practices for his own welfare"? Sakavādin: Yes. Paravādin: Is form (rūpa) the person? Sakavādin: It should not be said so. Paravādin: Acknowledge the rejoinder (paṭikamma): If it was said by the Blessed One, "There is a person who practices for his own welfare," then indeed, good sir, it should be said, "Form is the person." What you say there — that it should indeed be said, "It was said by the Blessed One, 'There is a person who practices for his own welfare,'" but that it should not be said, "Form is the person" — is wrong. But if it should not be said, "Form is the person," then indeed, good sir, it should not be said, "It was said by the Blessed One, 'There is a person who practices for his own welfare.'" What you say there — that it should indeed be said, "It was said by the Blessed One, 'There is a person who practices for his own welfare,'" but that it should not be said, "Form is the person" — is wrong. …

English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.

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