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Abhidhammapiṭaka · Kathāvatthu · Vol. 37 · Section 149

[149] [Sakavādin:] Is the suffering (dukkha) of the states of loss and woe (āpāya) apprehended? Is one who experiences the suffering of the states of loss and woe apprehended? [Paravādin:] Yes. [Sakavādin:] Is the person (puggala) apprehended? Is one who experiences the person apprehended? [Paravādin:] It should not be said thus. …

English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.

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