[38] P. Is form (rūpa) apprehended in the real and ultimate sense (sacchikaṭṭha-paramaṭṭha), and is feeling (vedanā) apprehended in the real and ultimate sense — form being one thing and feeling another?
S. Yes.
P. Was it said by the Blessed One, "There is a person (puggala) who practices for his own welfare," and is form apprehended in the real and ultimate sense?
S. Yes.
P. Is form one thing and the person another?
S. It should not be said so.
P. Acknowledge the rejoinder (paṭikamma): If form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, and feeling is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, form being one thing and feeling another; and if it was said by the Blessed One, "There is a person who practices for his own welfare," and form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense — then indeed, good sir, it should be said that form is one thing and the person another. What you say there — that it can indeed be said that form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, and feeling is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, form being one thing and feeling another, and that it was said by the Blessed One, "There is a person who practices for his own welfare," and form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, and yet that it should not be said that form is one thing and the person another — is wrong. But if it should not be said that form is one thing and the person another, then indeed, good sir, it should not be said that form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, that feeling is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, form being one thing and feeling another, that it was said by the Blessed One, "There is a person who practices for his own welfare," and that form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense. What you say there — that it can indeed be said that form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, and feeling is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, form being one thing and feeling another, and that it was said by the Blessed One, "There is a person who practices for his own welfare," and form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, and yet that it should not be said that form is one thing and the person another — is wrong. …
English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.