[27] Sakavādin: "Form (rūpa) is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense (sacchikaṭṭha-paramaṭṭha), and perception (saññā) is apprehended … and volitional formations (saṅkhārā) are apprehended … and consciousness (viññāṇa) is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense — form is one thing, consciousness another?"
Paravādin: "Yes."
Sakavādin: "The person (puggala) is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, and form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense?"
Paravādin: "Yes."
Sakavādin: "Form is one thing, the person another?"
Paravādin: "It should not be said thus."
Sakavādin: "Acknowledge the refutation (niggaha): If form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense and consciousness is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, form being one thing and consciousness another, and the person is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense and form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, then indeed, good sir, it should be said: 'Form is one thing, the person another.' What you state therein — that it should indeed be said: 'Form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, and consciousness is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense; form is one thing, consciousness another; the person is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, and form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense,' and yet that it should not be said: 'Form is one thing, the person another' — is wrong. But if it should not be said: 'Form is one thing, the person another,' then indeed, good sir, it should not be said: 'Form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, and consciousness is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense; form is one thing, consciousness another; the person is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, and form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense.' What you state therein — that it should indeed be said: 'Form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, and consciousness is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense; form is one thing, consciousness another; the person is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense, and form is apprehended in the real and ultimate sense,' and yet that it should not be said: 'Form is one thing, the person another' — is wrong. …"
English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.