[4] [Puggalavādin:] If this be a bad refutation (dunniggahita), then see it in just the same way there [in the refutation you made of us]: "It should indeed be said: 'The person (puggala) is apprehended (upalabbhati) in a real and ultimate sense (saccikaṭṭha-paramaṭṭhena)'; but it should not be said: 'Whatever is the real, the ultimate — from that is that person apprehended in a real and ultimate sense.'" And we, thus asserting by this assertion (paṭiññā), ought not to be refuted by you thus in that case; yet you refute me — so we are indeed badly refuted: "If the person is apprehended in a real and ultimate sense, then indeed, good sir, it should be said: 'Whatever is the real, the ultimate — from that is that person apprehended in a real and ultimate sense.' What you assert there — that it should indeed be said: 'The person is apprehended in a real and ultimate sense,' but it should not be said: 'Whatever is the real, the ultimate — from that is that person apprehended in a real and ultimate sense' — is wrong. But if it should not be said: 'Whatever is the real, the ultimate — from that is that person apprehended in a real and ultimate sense,' then indeed, good sir, it should not be said: 'The person is apprehended in a real and ultimate sense.' What you assert there — that it should indeed be said: 'The person is apprehended in a real and ultimate sense,' but it should not be said: 'Whatever is the real, the ultimate — from that is that person apprehended in a real and ultimate sense' — this of yours is wrong."
The Tetrad of Application (upanayanacatukkaṃ)
English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.