MahāvaggavaggaMahāvagga

Abhidhammapiṭaka · Kathāvatthu · Vol. 37 · Section 6

[6] [Paravādin:] Is the person (puggala) not apprehended (upalabbhati) in the sense of a real and ultimate fact (saccikaṭṭhaparamaṭṭhena)? [Sakavādin:] Yes. [Paravādin:] That which is real (saccikaṭṭho) and ultimate (paramaṭṭho) — is that person not apprehended in accordance with it, in the sense of a real and ultimate fact? [Sakavādin:] It should not be said thus. [Paravādin:] Acknowledge the refutation (niggaha)! If the person is not apprehended in the sense of a real and ultimate fact, then indeed, good sir, it should be said: "That which is real and ultimate — that person is not apprehended in accordance with it, in the sense of a real and ultimate fact." What you say there — that it should indeed be said, "The person is not apprehended in the sense of a real and ultimate fact," but it should not be said, "That which is real and ultimate — that person is not apprehended in accordance with it, in the sense of a real and ultimate fact" — is wrong. But if it should not be said, "That which is real and ultimate — that person is not apprehended in accordance with it, in the sense of a real and ultimate fact," then indeed, good sir, it should not be said, "The person is not apprehended in the sense of a real and ultimate fact." What you say there — that it should indeed be said, "The person is not apprehended in the sense of a real and ultimate fact," but it should not be said, "That which is real and ultimate — that person is not apprehended in accordance with it, in the sense of a real and ultimate fact" — is wrong. The Pentad of the Reverse Argument (Paccanīkapañcaka)

English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.

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