[119] Sakavādin: "Is the person (puggala) apprehended in the sense of a real and ultimate fact (sacchikaṭṭha-paramaṭṭha)?"
Paravādin: "Yes (āmantā)."
Sakavādin: "Is it not so that he who does not see, that which he does not see, that whereby he does not see — he does not see, does not see that, does not see thereby?"
Paravādin: "Yes."
Sakavādin: "If he who does not see, that which he does not see, that whereby he does not see — he does not see, does not see that, does not see thereby — then indeed you should not say: 'The person is apprehended in the sense of a real and ultimate fact.'"
English translation from the Pali (Siam Raṭṭha edition) — under review, not for citation.